Lack of suicide risk assessment after discharge
East London NHS Foundation Trust received 2 coroners' reports about this hazard between 20 Aug 2019 and 20 Oct 2021.
They came from 2 different coroners in 2 coroner areas. A similar concern was raised again 1 time after the first warning.
A published response was found for 1 of the 1 earlier reports, stating 6 specific actions.
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“The Crisis Line call taker read his medical notes and so knew this history, but nevertheless did not ask him if he was now feeling suicidal.”
Original on judiciary.uk ↗ East London NHS Foundation Trust responded.Response (PDF) ↗
- 2 years 2 months laterClosely relatedConfidence 0.85 · higha different coroner
“the clinician did not elicit clear risks during the conversation; did not listen to [REDACTED] ; talked over him; did not appear empathic; and dismissed his distress about his daughter,”
Original on judiciary.uk ↗ East London NHS Foundation Trust responded, stating 6 specific actions.Response (PDF) ↗
“In May 2020, immediately, after Ms [name redacted] death, the Deputy Borough Director listened to calls by each staff member to assess the quality of the care being provided.”
Stated timescale: May 2020
“In July 2021, the Deputy Borough Director listened to recorded calls from each staff member working on the Crisis Line. The standard was overall good. However, the outcome was that the contract of an Agency Nurse was terminated and another nurse was commenced on a performance management process.”
Stated timescale: July 2021
4 more stated actions in the Promises tab.
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2019 → 2021Freeda Glausiusz2 years 2 months after Tony Dunne · different coronerClosely relatedConfidence 0.85 · high
Closely relatedConfidence 0.85 · highBoth reports highlight failures in the crisis line service to properly assess suicide risk and respond appropriately to callers in distress. The earlier case involved not asking about suicidal thoughts after an emergency department discharge, while the later case involved not eliciting risks, being dismissive, and failing to document the call.
Tony Dunne · 20 Aug 2019
“The Crisis Line call taker read his medical notes and so knew this history, but nevertheless did not ask him if he was now feeling suicidal.”
Original on judiciary.uk ↗ Freeda Glausiusz · 20 Oct 2021
“the clinician did not elicit clear risks during the conversation; did not listen to [REDACTED] ; talked over him; did not appear empathic; and dismissed his distress about his daughter,”
Original on judiciary.uk ↗
No specific action could be extracted with a verified quote.
Stated action · timescale: May 2020
“In May 2020, immediately, after Ms [name redacted] death, the Deputy Borough Director listened to calls by each staff member to assess the quality of the care being provided.”
Stated action · timescale: July 2021
“In July 2021, the Deputy Borough Director listened to recorded calls from each staff member working on the Crisis Line. The standard was overall good. However, the outcome was that the contract of an Agency Nurse was terminated and another nurse was commenced on a performance management process.”
Stated action · timescale: 20 November 2021 - 28 November 2021
“Between 20 November 2021 - 28 November 2021, the CCG conducted a 'mystery shopping' audit of the Crisis line to measure responsiveness to calls. 70% of calls were answered in one minute or less, with 20% less than two minutes.”
Stated action · timescale: January 2022
“From January 2022, a larger Trust-wide Crisis Line call quality audit will take place. The audit tool has already been devised.”
Stated action · timescale: 17 December
“The City and Hackney Crisis Line Operational Policy has been updated to include a section on how call handlers should deal with concerned relatives and family members. This will be ratified on 17th December at the ELFT London Crisis Strategy Group and the updated content will be discussed with staff members at their team business meeting on 6 January 2022.”
Stated action · timescale: 24 November 2021
“medical records training for all senior nurses was provided on 24 November 2021 to all senior nurses and managers at the Trust. The focus of the training was good record keeping, observations and retrospective record keeping.”
- Each report's concerns were extracted by Nemotron 3 Nano on Nebius Token Factory, each with a quote copied from the report.
- Concerns from reports to East London NHS Foundation Trust at least six months apart were compared by meaning (Qwen3 embeddings) and wording (TF-IDF).
- The closest pairs were judged by Nemotron 3 Super with reasoning on. Only identical or closely related, with confidence of at least 0.70, are shown.
- Every quote was checked by code as an exact substring of the original text. Names of staff and family are redacted, and the deceased are named by report title only.
| Link | Meaning | Wording | Judge | Coroner |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2019 → 2021 | 0.74 | 0.21 | Closely related · 0.85 | different |
Judge model: nvidia/nemotron-3-super-120b-a12b. How Nemotron did the work · Full methodology.
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